Lemmy needs more donations
An open source project the size of Lemmy needs constant work to manage the project, implement new features and fix bugs. Dessalines and I work full-time on these tasks and more. As there is no advertising or tracking, all of our work is funded through donations. Unfortunately the amount of donations has decreased to only 2000€ per month. This leaves only 1000€ per developer, which is not enough to pay my bills. With the current level of donations I will be forced to find another job, and drastically reduce my contributions to Lemmy. To avoid this outcome and keep Lemmy growing, I ask you to please make a recurring donation:
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If you want more information before donating, consider the comparison with Reddit. It began as startup funded by rich investors. The site is managed by corporate executives who over time have become more and more disconnected from normal users. Their main goal is to make investors happy and to make a profit. This leads to user-hostile decisions like firing the employee responsible for AMAs, blocking third-party apps and more. As Reddit is a single website under a single authority, it means all users need to follow the same rules, including ridiculous ones like censoring the name "Luigi".
Lemmy represents a new type of social media which is the complete opposite of Reddit. It is split across many different websites, each with its own rules, and managed by normal people who actually care about the users. There is no company and no profit motive. Much of the work is carried out by volunteer admins, mods and posters, who contribute out of enthusiasm and not for money. For users this is great as there is no advertising nor tracking, and no chance of takeover by a billionaire. Additionally there are no builtin political or ideological restrictions. You can use the software for any purpose you like, add your own restrictions or scrutinize its inner workings. Lemmy truly belongs to everyone.
Dessalines and I work fulltime on Lemmy to keep up with all the feature requests, bug reports and development work. Even so there is barely enough time in the day, and no time for a second job. Previously I sometimes had to rely on my personal savings to keep developing Lemmy for you, but that can't go on forever. We partly rely on NLnet for funding, but they only pay for development of new features, and not for mandatory maintenance work. The only available option are user donations. To keep it viable donations need to reach a minimum of 5000€ per month, resulting in a modest salary of 2500€ per developer. If that goal is reached Dessalines and I can stop worrying about money, and fully focus on improving the software for the benefit of all users and instances. Please use the link below to see current donation stats and make your contribution! We especially rely on recurring donations to secure the long-term development and make Lemmy the best it can be.
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Nutomic
in reply to Nutomic • • •Lemmy · Expenses - Open Collective
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in reply to Nutomic • • •Dessalines
in reply to conditional_soup • • •𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬
in reply to Dessalines • • •Dessalines
in reply to 𝘋𝘪𝘳𝘬 • • •I personally wouldn't be against migrating our issue tracker off github in the future, especially once the federated alternatives become more mature. The other code contributers would also need to agree though.
We also have the code mirrored in several places off github.
Nutomic
in reply to conditional_soup • • •irelephant [he/him]🍭
in reply to Nutomic • • •From what I can see, what's stopping a lot of people donating is the fact that donations cover .ml as well, I personally think this is a non-issue, because .ml doesn't cost much to run (from what I can see).
Would it be possible to split donations for lemmy development, and donations for lemmy.ml?
Nutomic
in reply to irelephant [he/him]🍭 • • •lud
in reply to Nutomic • • •There are obviously other good reasons for not donating or at least thinking hard about it first.
But removing one bad thing surely couldn't hurt.
Nutomic
in reply to lud • • •Lemmy · Expenses - Open Collective
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in reply to lud • • •lud
in reply to Nutomic • • •I don't think it was updated when I looked earlier but it looks good now 👍
You might consider adding to the descriptions on the other platforms that .ml is explicitly excluded considering that many seem to be confused but that's up to you.
Nutomic
in reply to lud • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to irelephant [he/him]🍭 • • •irelephant [he/him]🍭
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •What's wrong with dev.lemmy.ml enterprise.lemmy.ml and ds9.lemmy.ml?
That aside, I think that there would be enough people who would donate to .ml, I read somewhere that it was €30/month, which doesn't seem like much.
Dessalines
in reply to irelephant [he/him]🍭 • • •We always put out calls before (major) releases, but very few ppl actually help test. This means a lot of bugs only get spotted when more eyes see them in production.
All of these issues are solved in the corporate world by paying quality assurance / testing teams, but open source projects don't have those resources.
Blaze (he/him)
in reply to Dessalines • • •Where are those posted? I think I always miss them, happy to help with testing before major releases
Dessalines
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •arakhis_
in reply to Nutomic • • •that way people would be more willing to get something out of it in a more tangible way
Nutomic
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in reply to Nutomic • • •awards that cosmetically work like upvotes in a sense.
reddit has them, but they link that to nothing or ad free features.
Bound to donations I dont see why this would be a bad idea. Gives a strong sense of community, especially if theres for example special ones bound to each instance
Nutomic
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Unknown parent • • •The real devs are locked into a server room with appropriate supplies of food and caffeine. So dont worry about them.
Yearly or weekly doesnt make a big difference so whatever works for you. Depending on the platform small donations may have higher fees though.
heavyboots
in reply to Nutomic • • •Nutomic
in reply to heavyboots • • •Around 50k, it went back down from the recent high of 57k.
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in reply to marcie (she/her) • • •Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]
in reply to MajesticElevator • • •Nutomic
in reply to Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them] • • •communism
in reply to Nutomic • • •Do you also think that eg when corporations celebrate Black History Month that the bourgeoisie is also pro-Black? Capitalism has a vested interest in neutering and subsuming liberation movements so that they cannot pose a threat to capital itself, and also of course, as groups such as LGBTQ+ people become less socially stigmatised, it becomes worth it profit-wise to market towards these demographics specifically as the financial hit from bigots becomes less. We can see this reverse in real time in the US as it becomes more profitable to appeal to social reactionaries, showing that any appeals to "pride" were, as queer people have been saying all along, a marketing campaign and nothing deeper.
I don't think this comment at all suffices. If you're going to be a communist, then you need to put the effort in to engaging with all struggles for emancipation, and that includes trans people's struggles. You shouldn't "refrain from commenting on" liberation struggles; you should be supporting them.
Nutomic
in reply to communism • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to marcie (she/her) • • •Nutomic
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •OsrsNeedsF2P
in reply to Nutomic • • •Have you considered applying for a FUTO grant?
futo.org/grants/
https://futo.org/grants/
futo.orgNutomic
in reply to OsrsNeedsF2P • • •pineapple
in reply to Nutomic • • •I don't really mind which way I donate but I want to ensure I donate by giving the most money to lemmy and not to whatever platform is hosting it.
While I am not particularly interested in setting up crypto, aside from that which platform would you prefer I donated from?
Nutomic
in reply to pineapple • • •Tears_of_a_Saint
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in reply to Tears_of_a_Saint • • •wiki_me
in reply to Nutomic • • •a little more then 24h into the campaign.
patreon increased from $871 to $1,138 (+30%).
liberapay rose from $301 to $393.66 (+30%).
I think it could have been improved further , the text could be a bit longer (I talked to Nutomic and few suggestion were kinda shortened too much IMO). but i think we can overall call the campaign a success. I realize we can tweak and experiment with this for far too long and without A/B testing we could be "fooled by randomness" and make the wrong choices. but we could measure how many people leave the page of the text before we expect them to finish reading to get a indication if it is too small or big. information beats speculation.
Anyway this text is now "field tested" and should probably be used more with maybe minor tweaks (link to it from the website donate page and the pop up).
Is there any evidence the pop up asking for donation is working as intended? , adding randomness to this could make it too hard to debug.
I think what it does prove beyond all doubt if the pop up is working is that the pop up text i
... mostra di piùa little more then 24h into the campaign.
patreon increased from $871 to $1,138 (+30%).
liberapay rose from $301 to $393.66 (+30%).
I think it could have been improved further , the text could be a bit longer (I talked to Nutomic and few suggestion were kinda shortened too much IMO). but i think we can overall call the campaign a success. I realize we can tweak and experiment with this for far too long and without A/B testing we could be "fooled by randomness" and make the wrong choices. but we could measure how many people leave the page of the text before we expect them to finish reading to get a indication if it is too small or big. information beats speculation.
Anyway this text is now "field tested" and should probably be used more with maybe minor tweaks (link to it from the website donate page and the pop up).
Is there any evidence the pop up asking for donation is working as intended? , adding randomness to this could make it too hard to debug.
I think what it does prove beyond all doubt if the pop up is working is that the pop up text is not enough. People want a clear and persuasive rational. underestimation potential donors ability to read a short text could be a costly mistake. a quick googling indicates a optimal length of about 1,000 to 2,500 words while the current text stands at about 500 words.
Nutomic
in reply to wiki_me • • •kepix
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WeblateNutomic
in reply to kepix • • •milicent_bystandr
in reply to Nutomic • • •To those who don't want to give because of the devs' political views, I'd like to say this goes into improving the Lemmy software our communities here are based on, not making some political podium for the devs in particular.
There's a lot of rubbish on Lemmy.... because it's the internet. Like the Great Garbage Patch of the Pacific, it collects; but I still like the Ocean. Some people look down particularly on .ml, but personally I think this is unjustified.
In fact, before joining Lemmy I heard some rumour of the controversy and went looking. I certainly disagree strongly with certain things I found, but my impression was of Dessalines and Nutomic treating the Internet as a forum for respectful debate and this Lemmy as a technology project not a personal political force - as many see Reddit as becoming. Well, that was my impression, so I was happy to join, and I've not been disappointed.
On this Lemmy software we have many communities, some which vehemently hate each other, but we're all supported by this foundational software. If it's too awful to you, you cou
... mostra di piùTo those who don't want to give because of the devs' political views, I'd like to say this goes into improving the Lemmy software our communities here are based on, not making some political podium for the devs in particular.
There's a lot of rubbish on Lemmy.... because it's the internet. Like the Great Garbage Patch of the Pacific, it collects; but I still like the Ocean. Some people look down particularly on .ml, but personally I think this is unjustified.
In fact, before joining Lemmy I heard some rumour of the controversy and went looking. I certainly disagree strongly with certain things I found, but my impression was of Dessalines and Nutomic treating the Internet as a forum for respectful debate and this Lemmy as a technology project not a personal political force - as many see Reddit as becoming. Well, that was my impression, so I was happy to join, and I've not been disappointed.
On this Lemmy software we have many communities, some which vehemently hate each other, but we're all supported by this foundational software. If it's too awful to you, you could of course use a different platform, and still federate with the Lemmy communities you love! But we're still here.
Because, after all, in any real community there are people you don't get on with, and part of life is about learning what it means to love each other and live together even so. And that goes for every software project too - somewhere, hiding in the dark recesses, is something quite unpalatable intrinsically linked in. If your ideology says you can't use anything built with such problems, you'd better start building everything yourself.
So, you don't have to support Lemmy. Even if you use it. You don't have to agree with my take on it. But I'd like to encourage most of you to consider supporting Dessaline and Nutomic to continue this development work, and not just the bare minimum they need - let it overflow with blessing, since we have received such blessing from them!
...Or you can all send me angry replies for ranting too long on the Internet about something you disagree with
Nutomic
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in reply to walden • • •Lemmy · Expenses - Open Collective
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in reply to wakest • • •Do you have a link with more details? This is what Ive been told:
github.com/mlemgroup/mlem/issu…
developer.apple.com/apple-pay/…
Add Donation Dialog · Issue #1962 · mlemgroup/mlem
GitHubglaber
in reply to Nutomic • • •Nutomic
in reply to glaber • • •grapemix
in reply to Nutomic • • •I love lemmy the project. But there has too much political arguments in some communities and they will hate you if you aren't 100% agree with them. Even the post and the group/community are not political, comments will turn it to political. I am kind of tired(although I know some ppl are thrilled with political arguments). There is not much the devs can do, but the content does affect the user experience quite a lot.
Nevertheless, thanks for all the hard work, nutomic and dessalines. I will donate.
Nutomic
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